Would you be at all surprised to learn that there are people who hunt and log these things?

www.geocaching.com/mark/

Posted by pjm at 4:04 PM, November 28, 2006 [Link]

I recall seeing some movie or tv show or something that described how the maps were, in a sense, a set of coordinates that are "pinned" to the earth on those survey marks.

In a similar vein, Doc M, who worked on the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, describes trips to remote areas of Australia placing what he calls "corner reflectors" -- something that has a known point (via GPS, I believe) that is then captured on the shuttle flyover (reflectors will produce known radar response of some sort), and that's one of the things that they used to calibrate the maps. Defense Mapping became in an interim state, NIMA--they were co-sponsors of that mission. I guess that's what got subsumed into the NGIA entity you name.

Doc M is headed out to the Mohave desert tomorrow where a helicopter has been fitted with a special radar that will flyover known territory to see how it picks up this and that kinda terrain--flat lakebeds, dunes, and lavafields. Happily, all of those can be found within a couple hours drive of the greater Los Angeles area.

He's gone on a couple of pre-flighttest scouting tests there, and at one point described the SRTM results as being more accurate than [insert some other Digital Elevation Model topo map here], as SomeOtherDEM was off, slanted at an angle which renders the whole thing useless for their purposes. But the SRTM results are not high enough resolution and too noisy overall to use. And so it goes. They drove over a dry lake bed with a GPS lashed to the roof of a van to get some baseline coordinates. Fine for flat lake bed, not so good for lavafields. Sand Dunes don't stay still long enough for maps to be of any use. All in all, it's kinda similar to those survey marks for making this single-use, highly specialized radar data map.

The radar that they're testing is part of the landing system for a future Mars-bound spacecraft. So, er, uh, yeah. Survey marks and their various uses. How fun it is!

Posted by Susan Kitchens at 5:02 PM, November 28, 2006 [Link]

PJM, not only am I not surprised, I'm even less surprised that you would know about this. :-)

Susan, yes, NIMA renamed themselves NGIA at some point. The URL I link to is still nima.mil, but the web site is all about NGIA. They have a history PDF that details the merger of DMA and some other agency to form NIMA, which was then renamed NGIA.

You're so lucky to be dating a rocket scientist.... :-) My only connection with rocket scientists is that my representative in Congress is one (so the bumper stickers say....)

Posted by ralph at 5:38 PM, November 28, 2006 [Link]